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We need not give another recitation of past complaints nor engage in redundant dialogue of discontent. Our conditions and their cause for being should perhaps be best known by those who have written the record of America's action against Indian people. We seek a new American majority - a majority that is not content merely to confirm itself by superiority in numbers, but which by conscience is committed toward prevailing upon the public will in ceasing wrongs and in doing right. For our part, in words and deeds of coming days, we propose to produce a rational, reasoned manifesto for construction of an Indian future in America. If America has maintained faith with its original spirit, or may recognize it now, we should not be denied... Partial Preamble to the Trail of Broken Treaties Manifesto: October 31, 1972

Saturday, August 06, 2005

NCAA Mascot Decision-Email Responses

Following is a press release from the American Indigenous Coalition on Institutional Accountability regarding the NCAA mascot decision.

We have also posted emails that we received, some must be debated by those of you who are logging on. Please send us a copy of your responses to some of these emails at aimggc@att.net

Let's get some dialog going...and educate.

AIMGGC


PRESS RELEASE

The American Indigenous Coalition on Institutional Accountability, a coalition of Indigenous organizations for social change wish to congratulate the NCAA for its position on the ban of offensive "Indian" stereotypes and mascots for academic institutions. We believe the NCAA's position is consistent with every major American Indigenous organization's perspective including - the National Congress of American Indians and the American Indian Higher Education that have publicly stated opposing offensive "Indian" stereotypes.

We however are greatly disappointed by media organizations such as AOL and Fox TV who are exploiting this issue by promoting "popularity polls." The use of "polls" is a divisive position that insults American Indigenous institutional positions. The polls are also misleading since Indigenous people are viewed as less than 5% of the population and therefore could have little impact upon these polls. We do not believe the media would conduct a similar poll for African and Jewish stereotypes because the mere suggestion of such a poll would be an insult to those communities.

We will plan to support the NCAA action by participating in an active campaign against the 18 institutions listed by the NCAA that will include.

1. Direct contact with potential student athletes who might be considering attending those 18 institutions,
2. Direct contact with NCAA member institutions requesting their support by not contracting to engage in athletic events with the named 18 institutions.
3. Direct contact with corporations requesting their support by not contracting to engage in sponsorships, events and products that promotes these institutions' stereotypes.
4. Support those academic institutions like the University of Iowa and University of Wisconsin, who have policies of not scheduling athletic competitions with schools who use American Indigenous nicknames, imagery, and religious symbols or mascots.

It is time to stop playing games with American Indigenous culture and traditional values. As long as Non-Indigenous people continue to use these stereotypes in academic institutions and the sports industry this issue can not be resolved.


Matthew Deegan
mjdeegan@hotmail.com
You really need to do something about the Washington Redskins. It is second only to the Cleveland Indians mascot in terms of offensiveness. Imagine if the mascot was a Zulu warrior, and the team names was the Coloreds, or the Darkies. Or if it was an Aztec, and the name was the Wetbacks, or Spics. I don't think that would be tolerated, yet Redskins is celebrated. Why is that? Does money and power give the owner the right to be offensive?
Shane O’Connor


Mbula1001@yahoo.com
I am of Irish Decent, and having been brought up in Canada, I still recall my grandfather telling me of what a tough time it was to grow up Irish and many characterisations and jokes still abound - we were accused always fighting and having a violent nature - which I am sure you can identify with. Having now moved to the US I note that many people refer to the "Fighting Irish" of Notra-Dame. While I am sure that not many people realise what this nick-name refers to (although the University mentions the historic nation on their web-site) I find this patently offencive to my back-ground - no joke - and it does still promote a view that Irish are violent people - which I am sure continues in the face of news of the troubles in the UK.
Is there a way I too can get a campaign off the ground to have them change their moniker...it really does offend me - what would you suggest?
Yours sincerely.
Shane O'Connor


Rick.McClelland@Lazard.com
There's nothing undignified about calling a team player a "Brave". Teams pickedIndian name specifically because it showed strength, courage, and bravery.You're all getting this wrong and you got to stop this nonsense.Rick McClelland


Todd Tronson
T_tronson@yahoo.com
I just read the article on yahoo about your success in banning logos, references, etc. of American Indian Mascots in the NCAA.
I don't typically write to organizations when I read an article and disagree with their viewpoint. This time I was just awestruck. Your organization actually has a staff of people who's job it is to make sure that schools like Florida State, change their uniforms and logos. Who is really offended by this? I know it isn't the American Indian populous. It is a handful of busybodies like yourselves. Just because you have a loud voice, doesn't mean you speak for everyone you claim to represent.
I sincerely hope that you lose this battle when the schools appeal. Maybe fat people are offended by the name New York Giants. If you are offended by Braves, maybe we should stop New England from calling themselves the Patriots. As a Norwegian-American, I am not offended by the Vikings.
Please lighten up, go after real and true racism, or is that fight too hard to win.


Efralick@allvantage.com
And Yankees are people, not mascots. And Dolphins are fish, not mascots. And Patriots are heroes, not mascots. Mascots are supposed to be followed, to raise sentiments for teams. Mascots are not meant to demean. Do we not fly Jets anymore? Do we avoid Metropolitans areas (Mets)? How about those Angels?


Darin Mosier
Dmosier@schwarzusa.com
What is next?? Are we going to go after Notre Dame becasue not all Irishmen are redheaded? Or how about Holy Cross.. Some people might consider the crusaders to be an offensive mascot.
If you would spend a little more time and money on the poverty issues of your people and a little less worrying about who has an Indian mascot maybe you would be a little better off.


Greg Racicot
roscoeis@alltel.net
I'm told my Great-Great-Grandmother was full blood Cherokee. I've always taken disproportional pride in my fractional Cherokee status. But now I feel that my pride has been misplaced. If the NCRSM and NCAA's intent is to garner respect for the tribes it has failed. If it's my respect you want take some of the billions of dollars your making from the Casino's and make forever history the rampant alcoholism, illiteracy and abject poverty I see when I visit the reservations. To be respected you must first make yourself respectable. Something tells me my Great-Great-Grandmother would agree.


Billy Blackmon
Williamblackmon@yahoo.com
There is an issue more insulting than sports logos. Allowing tax free cigarette sales and the establishment of casinos on indian lands makes absolutely no sense. I wonder if you will take on a stand on a serious issue, especially cigarettes. I wonder if you believe that you should pay your fair share of taxes as well. Since alcohol and cigarettes are killing people much faster than any sports logo can I look forward to seeing your efforts to eliminate the tax advantages you enjoy peddling both? I kinda doubt it. I notice the recent scandal with a lobbyist. Your focus is silly and lacks courage to face real problems. When there is money involved you take the money.


Rich and Cheri
Rcw3006@yahoo.com
You are just a bunch of people with way to time on your hands. There is absulutly nothing wrong with Indian nicknames, such as Braves Warriors or even Indians. People are proud of there teams. Why do you never here of other ehtnic groups complaining. The Vikings scandanavian heritage or the running rebels of UNLV alarge portion of southern heritage, Or the Fighting Irish using a drunk fighting lepurachan probably of the most insulting. Here we have a high school team called the NORSKIES Norwiegn heritage. Do you here any of these people complain NO they are proud of there heritage and there teams. What are you not proud of your heritage or do you just look to cause problems.


Frank Clayton, DDS
fc@claytondental.com
You guys are pathetic, banning Indian mascots? Are there better issues to tackle? Next are you going to join with PETA and ban animal names? I’m ½ Native American, ½ Polish and I’m not crying a trail of tears or bitching about Germany, I’m moving on. You guys need to do the same –
Frank Clayton


larryt@tampabay.rr.com
Where do you people get off pretending to speak for the American Indian?
A current poll on USAToday supports the premise that you're a group of pompous asses that are pushing the agenda of political correctness.
Most Americans are caring people but could care less about "Politically Correct" issues. These are the type of issues that are denigrating American culture.
Larry Thompson
Staci Newell
Staciforyou1982@hotmail.com
You guys are pieces of shit that don't deserve to live. Seroiusly, you guys are probably white bastards that are from the 70's that couldn't get a job in our day so you decided to create an organization that pays you!! What lame ass bitches. Trying to push the NCAA to put sanctions on our beloved colleges, that is weak!! Florida's seminole community said it was cool to use the Seminole for Florida State. They are representing FLORIDA not the country. If our mascot for USA teams was a REDSKIN then I can see your point, but come on!! What's next, the Florida Gators can't be Gators because it puts alligators down! Or the Fighting Irish as putting down the IRISH! COME ON!! Get a life, get a real job you bitches and get off each other's dick! This is a free country and our schools should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want!!Peace,YOUR BRAIN!!

Eric Collis
ecollis@insightbb.com
Mr.(in this case using that term VERY loosely) Bellencourt just made a VERY embassing appearance on a national radio talk show, insulting Brian Cox by effectively calling him an "Uncle Tom". I can only hope that program was widely heard. Please do NOT bother to reply, for his commentary was the MOST offensive disply I have ever heard from one who "cloaks" himself in the colors of being opposed to racial stereotyping. I can assure you he has just placed your organization in the position of being a JOKE!
Eric R Collis

Info@americanjustice.com
You idiots. You poor babies.

sgoves65@yahoo.com
get a lifeSeth Groves


gbear62@stjolive.com
I am sorry; you people are so far out of line it is unbelievable. I am an American Indian, a Cherokee, who lives in the Midwest. But when people ask, I tell them that I am a born and bread AMERICAN. End of statement. I am a Kansas City Chiefs fan. I go to the games and do the "tomahawk chop". I am not offended by it, nor is my family. Why don’t you people spend time on issues that are a real problem? Things like under age drinking on campus, drug use on campus, things that are of a real concern. You make me sick. You are the ones who are disgracing the American Indian. We are a proud nation. Our warriors were fierce. And they are shown that way. I guess you want us to be portrayed as the drunk like on a lot of the older movies. Well, I am proud to stand up when I see a "warrior" on the field. You need to stop saying you are speaking for all American Indians. You did not call me and ask me how I felt about this. So let people know you are speaking for yourself. And by the way, it strikes me that you are very small minded. Keep your small minded thoughts to yourself.
Gary Gann
Missouri


Tanya and Don Johnson
Tandan@speedfactory.net
I have lost all respect for you and perhaps to all Indians.
I am sure your Fathers thank you.


Chris Smith
mailto:Chris.Smith.1@sendit.nocak.edu
To Whom it may concern:I would like to take this oppurtunity to oppose the restrictions on"hostile" mascots in the NCAA sporting world. I truly believe thatno harm is being done to Native Americans over this protest. I findall people and students to be amazed at the journey we NativeAmericans have made when presented to them and should be proud of thename recognition. I think it is a great honor that any institutionrecongizes Native American cultures and uses a sporting name asreference to a difficult and hard traveled road. This meaning thatit is a reminder to the tragic history of all our people. I do notsee the Irish making a big deal of the "Fightin' Irish." $$VernonBellecourt$$ is traveling the United States weeping and moaning of"Hostile" emblems and such. Question? Who is PAYING for his travel?I you want to make a difference, educate the tribes in the UnitedStates with that money, donot bring embarrassment by making trouble when their is none.Fightin' Sioux, Fighting Chippewas, or Seminoles are a sign ofrelentlesscharacter in sports and I for one am very proud of them all. I understandthis from a coaching and teaching member of a tribe. If $$VernonBellecourt$$ wants to quit spending the money that he gets paid with totravel the nationand speak to people at tribes and helping them, it would be a great value.I believe Vernon Bellecourt is not worthy to respond to this, but if hedoes, I will gladly like to meet him.Sincerely,Christopher Lee Smith2350 South 34th st.Apartment #916Grand Forks, North Dakota 58201


Morgan Thompson
Morgan_thompson@sbcglobal.net
Your little push to get rid of Indian mascots is ridiculous. I'm more of an Indian than any of you AIM people will ever be. You're the ones that make us look bad. Not the mascots. What's done is done, get over it. Get your own tribes straightened out before you worry about something as meanless as a sports mascot. Its absurd that you people are more concerned with this nonsense than matters such as higher education funding and job placement for native americans. All you northern indians really make a bad name for the rest of us.


James Hanzelka
jhanzelka@hotmail.com
So the radical few finally got a a major organization like the NCAA to back the constant whinning about a lack of respect concerning the indian mascot issue.
Let me give you a different perspective, although like many minority issue groups I'm sure you don't really care because only your view counts. I grew up in Utah and spent many hours with the old western movies where the Indians were the bad guys and the only good indian was a dead indian. When I enrolled in the University of Utah in 1968 I began a four year exposure to the native american culture that I probably would not have gotten had the University been named the "cougars". I even had the opportunity to work and study with members of the local tribes. Once out of school I have had similar contacts with the local tribes and have grown to respect most of the local cultures. Again many of these fostered by the relationship between the University and the local tribes.
In the midst of all this the radical groups, like yours have provided a constant negative energy to this process. Spurious claims for land because you were driven from ancestral homes, when in most cases that is exactly how the current tribes acquired their supposed "ancesteral lands", inhibit a healthy discussion of the real issues affecting native americans today (poverty, alcoholism, and family problems). This latest "win" will only serve to futher alienate those of us who are in the process of attempting to understand and have come to respect the culture.
The second point is that like the white establishment who care little for what the local citizenry think the labeling of the Ute nickname as "offensive" disregards the local Ute Tribe council who have given permission to use the name. Quotes in the local paper clearly indicate that they feel your organization is out of touch with them as we feel the national representation is out of touch the needs and culture we enjoy
Perhaps it's better if we change the state name from Utah (since this is surely offensive also) back to DESERET, then we can choose the nickname of Calvarymen and use depiction of such events as wounded knee as the logo. So I guess if we change the logo and identification I'll just go back to rooting for the calvary.
Jim Hanzelka
Stansbury Park, UT


Stansbury Park, UT


John Strahsmeir
jts-plumb@verizon.net

Hello,
I have never seen a more racist group than the one that you people are representing. Schools are trying to honor the Indian culture and here you folks do not have the intelligence to understand it!
I hope that the latest NCAA ruling goes down in flames. It organizations like yours that destroy the valuable relationships to the past of Indian peoples.


Owen Williams
newo2@hotmail.com

Being from Canada, I do NOT think the Florida State Seminoles and Atlanta Braves or anything else is 'offensive' and racist. By getting RID of those school names or team names, in 10 years time, people will FORGET about the American indian.
I know our situations are different, being north of the border, we have teams names for lacrosse such as North Shore Indians and Brooklin Redmen. It keeps people CONNECTED to the heritage. Maybe instead of getting rid of logos or 'tomahawk chops' why not EDUCATE the people instead?! because that's all it really is. People are not educated enough about the American indian.
I believe there are bigger issues for the American Indian than SPORTS teams names and logos.


Michael Farmer
thetanker0803@yahoo.com
I was discussing this issue with my friend Sven last night at our local pub. As you might have guessed, Sven is of Nordic descent. Myself, my name is Michael Patrick Dillon and my family is from Belfast. Both Sven and I think that your organization should take this fight up a notch and get behind a push to remove mascots from such teams as the Minnesota "Vikings" and Notre Dame's "Fighting Irish".

For my part, my family coming from war-torn Northern Ireland, it really PISSES ME OFF that such an esteemed institution as Notre Dame chooses a pugilistic leprechaun to represent them at sporting events. Think about it: (1) gives the impression that Irish people are quick to temper and quick to fight (2) it mocks "little people"...surprised the supporting cast of "Under the Rainbow", that fabulous 1981 Chevy Chase/Carrie Fisher vehicle haven't addressed this slight, and (3) the little guy is also SMOKING a pipe, something that could be viewed as both encouraging younger fans to smoke and -- I might be reaching here -- supporting "alternative" forms of tobacco.

Again, enough on our red brothers' beef about Indian-themed sports mascots. The rest of American -- and I hope in saying "Americans" we're not offending the descendants of Americus Vespucius -- have problems of our own.


dale@dudman.com
Your a bunch of overgrown crybabies. Go fuck yourselves. Find a cause that means something. Idiots
Dale DudleyFootball FanOsage-Cherokee DecendentMedia Member


John Smith
tnasooners@yahoo.com
am a quarter Cherokee Indian, and I could care lessif there are Indian mascots!!How about you talk with some real indians, I havenever heard of any indians upset about this!!!Cleveland Indians are my favorite team!!!I love the Florida State Seminoles!!!

Murray Rose
arose6@midsouth.rr.com
go screw yourself you PC bastards.


Onebites@aol.com
You are destroying the basic fundamentals of free speech that our great nation has been founded upon, however you will lose your fight. For thousands of years, great nations have conquered those who were weaker, strengthening the argument that "only the strong shall survive." Just as the American Indians had lost their fight to the more powerful European nations long ago, you too will lose. American Indians were conquered hundreds of years ago. If anything, you should be proud of the fact that Universities across the nations honor your people by using their names out of respect to history. Get a clue. Had the Indians won their fight long ago, we would not have this argument today. The strong survive, like it or leave it, but this is the United States of America. There is always Canada for you folks. Your fight again, will be lost!


BroMagazine@aol.com
Please stop trying to destroy the right of freedom of speech which makes our nation great. Your fight will be lost as millions of Americans are willing to stand and fight against your efforts! As a wealthy American, I will donate any amount of money neccesary to stop your efforts to destroy what this nation is founded upon. Maybe the tribes hundreds of years ago should have put up a better and stronger fight. The indians lost then, and we will see to it that your fight will be lost again! Thank you!


daniel.c.ford@comcast.net
My gosh, isn’t it about time people lightened up. This is getting out of hand. Stop the madness. The mascots and names are not used to cause racism. If it were not for organizations such as yours people would think of them as mascots nothing more nothing less.

You all need to stop the madness and go get real jobs and become productive members of the United States.

Leave it alone already enough is enough.

Daniel C. Ford


bweichold9@aol.com
What is the matter with you people. Instead of being proud of yourselves you act the opposite. I am part Indian and am very proud. When the school children have the love for their logos (whatever they are) and play their sports it is quite amazing to see the heart they have to do well. You people are trying to make everything so disgusting. All through my high school years we loved our Indian Logos and felt very proud and brave. No wonder the kids of today do not feel as much loyalty to their schools and sports as they used to. You are taking away their pride and spirit. You are making prejudice where there was none.
Sincerely,
Barbara Tavalero
Carmichael, California

CheriHaney@aol.com
Brother and Sisters,
First of all it was hard to read trash about my brother Vernon or to hear anyone else slam my brothers! We know how the world is and always has been to us, looks like we still have alot of work to do! I'm proud to be one of the parents who continues to believe in the struggle and raise my children to stand up for their elders and our beliefs, not to sell out like so many of our other people have, that is sad, I remember the first time I ever heard Vernon speak and it made a strong impression on me. So remember, those of you who choose to speak out against your brother or sisters.......the circle will take care of you, YOU DECIDE!
These are men and women who chose to stand up and put their life on the line even today..... they are committed to protecting you and you should be ashamed of yourself for being so disrespectful who raised you anyway??????? The Devil himself? Cheri Haney

jonathanmurray0013@msn.com

Dear Sir;

I would think your time could be better spent and making the reservations a more safe and nurtering enviorment,than going after sports teams that use proud Indian mascots.But as is always true follow the Money and that’s where the attention is.Oh I could argue the philosophy against your position but you will not listen.We are about to begin a campaign against such propoganda of using this agenda to further your own ends.Im quite sure you have no problem with casinos taking in money from those Racists,there we go again Money and attention.Selling oppresion to further your ends you should be ashamed.Jon Murray

gerryk1@bellsouth.net

To The Sun-Sentinel Editor:

I have read your article today, Saturday, August 6th and feel the arguments and complaints about using Indian symbols and names is about the dumbest action ever taken by members of the NCAA. One would assume these people have something more important to do with their time than think up problems that obviously, don't exist. Our country is becoming weaker by every "politically correct" notion and do-gooder's who try to find something to promote legal action and waste the time of intelligent Americans! Every Indian tribe in this country should feel grateful that these symbols and names exists. Mr. Bellecourt and the member of the NCAA Leadership Advisory Board should get lives and find something more productive to do with their time!

Gerald Katz
Weston, FL
954-389-6276

murph@jucofootball.org

Yes, I would like to submit a challenge to a major University for it's choices in Mascots. The University of Notre Dame has used a sexually provocative attired midget with his dukes up indicating that all any of us Irish ever want to do is fight. It insinuates that all Irishmen have an alternate lifestyle, are nutrionally deficient, and have an axe to grind with everyone because of these social challenges. Do you challenge all questionable mascots that reinforce stereotypes, or is it only the dignity of Native Americans you are conceerned with?Are yo concerned only with questionable names like Redskins or Savages, or do names like Braves and Seminoles offensive to you also? And is it okay to be called Aztecs but not Seminoles becaue they are Mexico's Native Americans and not the United States?Seriously, I would like those questions answered so I can get a feel about who you are, what your motives are, and if you protect ALL racial stereotyping and not just the ones of your choice.

bguenther@insightbb.com

I totally agree with your stand on schools using Indian mascots. Why would any school want to adopt an American Indian mascot? I much prefer white European mascots such as the Vikings or Celtic. These are proud, self reliant people that better reflect attributes of leadership and success. Keep up the good work of erasing American Indian culture from the public consciousness.

rdaskew@aol.com

Re: NCAA Ban on Indian Mascots

Hey Vernon:


I get asked what is the big deal on the Indian mascots all the time. My rebut goes something like this:
" I know it is hard for you to understand since it is not easy emotionally to 'cross over to the other side of the street' so to speak. So, how would you feel as a white person if the Atlanta Braves was called the Atlanta Anglos and the chopping motion (now signifies a tomahawk?) signified anglos stabbing someone in the back?" This retort usually makes them angry and then you say, "see".

Cordially,

Jay Askew

fredatc@comcast.net

I read today, where you were quoted by Sports Illustrated, indicating the NCAA actions were too soft regarding school mascots. What I think most offends you is the fact that Florida State University did more for the Seminole name in 55 years than any of your brother tribes could through out history.

Things in life often offend people. I can not really recall anything guaranteeing someone the 'right' not to be offended. If your neighbor offends you, you have two choices; tolerate it or move. If your local K-Mart® offends you, buy your goods elsewhere. If your local (or national) sports team offends you, watch something else. Play with the kids outside. Go for a picnic. Whining and bemoaning sounds too much like children pointing a finger saying "Little Johnny called me a name!", and has never been very becoming. Generally, it does little to extend your cause as well.

As a Florida State Alumni, I will always be known as a 'Seminole'. No disrespect intended. And yes, I will continue to support you by playing poker and bingo in your casinos.

As far as being 'Oppressed', your peoples' plight are a result of your own actions or inactions. To point to others and accuse them of holding you back is nothing other than a cop-out. You and your situation, has absolutely been unaffected by the fact that I wear a FSU Seminole logo. I imagine you got to where you are today by your sheer determination and will. The fact that you may display more or less initiative than your fellow man is inconsequential to me or my logo of choice.

In any case, I'm sure you're not much interested in the ranting of some clown in Florida so I'll leave you with this thought. I feel there is a reason some people still live in huts and tents and it's because it's the way they CHOOSE to live; NOT because because I called them a 'Chief', 'Warrior', 'Brave', or any other supposedly derogatory slur.

Regards,

Fred Renault
Florida

lclum@cox.net

Please…..What are “Hostile” or “abusive” uses of native American names or symbols?....and WHO is going to be the judge of what earns those adjectives and what doesn’t…you?, Russell Means?, the Bellacourt family?
Let’s take this out to the extreme, as you seem to want to do. I may decide that the word “Minnesota” is offensive. Can I demand that your state change its name? It IS an Indian word, you know. Or how about Wichita, Oklahoma, Iowa, Syracuse, White Cloud, Dakota?.....all offensive? By your group’s wandering standards, they just might be. What about an Irish Lepracon character?...Does that offend my Irish heritage? Don’t think so. I think it’s your group that needs the sensitivity training..or you need to get a life.
I suggest that you funnel your energy and time to improving the lot of your people and avoid pointless politics. There are so many more important things for you to do to in that area than to be worried about a cartoon character or the name of a sports team. Wish I could have a sports team named after my “people”…..I would like it! This crusade makes you look foolish. My acquaintances that are native American think it is much ado about nothing.

Larry Clum
Maize, KS

kronic_78@yahoo.com

TO VERMON BELLECOURNT GREETING, MY NAME IS BEN BEGAYE, I AM FULL BLOODEDNATIVE AMERICAN (1/2 TAOS PUEBLO AND 1/2 DINE'). I AMWRITING THIS EMAIL IN RE-GUARDS TO YOUR CURRENTPROTEST OF THE USE OF NATIVE AMERICAN MASCOTS IN THENCAA. I RECENTLY HEARD AN INTERVIEW ON THE RADIO, INWHICH YOU VOICED YOUR CONCERNS ON THIS MATTER.HOWEVER, I REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT YOU DO NOT SPEAKFOR ALL NATIVE AMERICANS ON THIS MATTER. I FOR ONESUPPORT THE USE OF NATIVE AMERICAN MASCOTS BY NCAATEAMS OR ANY TEAM FOR THAT MATTER. AS LONG AS THETEAM(S) IN QUESTION DO NOT USE THE OR ANY NATIVEAMERICAN IMAGINE OR NAME IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY. I'MSURE YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON WHAT DISRESPECTFUL IS, BUTI'M SURE WE DON'T SHARE THAT SAME OPINION. BUT WHAT WEBOTH DO SHARE IS THE SAME RESPECT OF OUR NATIVEAMERICAN CULTURE. I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSEYOUR WORDS A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL AND REMEMBER YOUSPEAK FOR YOUR-SELF AND THE COALITION YOU REPRESENT.BY THE WAY IF YOU MUST KNOW, MY FAVORITE FOOTBALL TEAM(AND SCHOOL) IS THE FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITYSEMINOLES. I HOPE THIS EMAIL FINDS YOU AND MAY THEGREAT SPIRITS GUIDE YOU AND BLESS YOU. THANK FOR YOURTIME. ONE JOURNEY ONE PATH, bEn BeGaYe

malcomsonr@msn.com

One Question. Who did you ask if native american mascots were offensive? Did you ask the tribal councils or did you just decide on your own? I agree that some names and mascots can be offensive. But don't generalize them as all bad. When you do that, you become a racist also. If the individual tribal councils don't have a problem with their tribal name being used, then back off. A loyal Utah alumni.

Ron

injun2@bellsouth.net

I am Cherokee, my dad was on the Cherokee council for years, and it seems to me that with the Indian names in sports, your organization is just looking for trouble where none exist. My old football team was called the Eagles..... is that demeaning to eagles? What is your point? Getting donations and media attention?

kmb4@nts-online.net

Dear Sirs:

I recently heard on NPR (National Peoples Radio) that the NCAA is banning the use of names or phrases that might be offensive to Native American Indians, such as Braves, Warriors, etc. This would apparently only apply during the playoffs. This is a classic example of political correctness run amuck! Are we so sensitive or thin skinned that the slightest innuendo might somehow be offensive to someone? Not being one, I have no idea what goes on inside the mind of a Native American. However, I think it would be safe to say that one would rather be referred to as brave rather that cowardly! Maybe not! People who raise these issues have way too much time on their hands.

There is hardly a phrase or name that could not in someway twisted way be interpreted in such a manner. About the only two mascot names I can randomly think of that would not offend anyone would “mosquito” or “roach”. I can just see it now on the sports page; Mosquitoes buzz Roaches 21-3 or Roaches trample then eat Mosquitoes 34-0. But wait! Maybe we should consult PETI (People for the Ethical Treatment of Insects) and find out if the roaches or mosquitoes would be offended?

Have you really nothing better to do than attempt to trample the American Culture under foot? If this is your agenda, please be honest and say so.

Kim Brown
Ransom Canyon, TX

bcw420@yahoo.com

I applaude you in your fight against negativedepictions of native Indians in this country. Myquestion is how do you counter the argument of some ofthose that say this is just political correctness gonebeserk?

Regards,

Bruce C. Wong Esq.

crashs@yahoo.com

As a proud member of the Comanche Nation and supporterof the American Indian Movement, I was shocked Fridayafternoon to hear Vernon Bellecourt on the SportsDrive with Chris Meyer. Mr. Bellecourt did a completedisservice to the cause of the American Indian.According to your web site, "[t]he National Coalitionon Racism in Sports and Media exists to fight thepowerful influence of major media who choose topromulgate messages of oppression. The impetus whichformed NCRSM was the clear case of media couplingimagery with widely held misconceptions of AmericanIndians in the form of sports team identitiesresulting in racial, cultural, and spiritualstereotyping."I think if you want to fight misconceptions thatresult in racial, cultural, and spiritualstereotyping, you should treat others how you want tobe treated. Any actions less than that constituteshypocrisy and reveals a lack of integrity.On the show, Mr. Bellecourt referred to Irish peopleas drunks and specifically used the word cracker aswell as other colorful language and/or epithets todescribe another ethnicity and/or race. In case youdid not know, "cracker" is a disparaging term for apoor white person. This action is unacceptable for arepresentative of the American Indian to use on anational radio show. Even if Mr. Bellecourt was being tongue in cheek, itreflects poorly on AIM and the American Indian. Howcan someone that uses racial epithets and name callingof other individuals being taken seriously? He cannotand will not. He did not get his point across and heis merely clown, which garnered laughs at the expenseof the true purpose of AIM. Please refrain from allowing Mr. Bellecourt torepresent AIM and the American Indian in the future. He surely does not represent my interests and theinterests of my family members and ancestors. Heshould be removed immediately from representing AIMand the interests of the American Indian as soon aspossible.Thank you

KARNAC@verizon.net

Sirs and Madams,Hopefully the above salutation does not offend anyone in your organization.As an American whose ancestry includes a significant amount of Seminole Indian blood, as well as Cherokee Indian, I will tell you that your stance on this college football name issue is an insult to my heritage. My mother and grandmother are both very proud to have the Florida State football team be known as the Seminole. The white race has tried to eliminate us and failed in the past, and we will watch as it happens again.Your position is arrogant and foolish. A bad combination.Jack Smith

lanier6125@comcast.net


I must say, that you people are idiots and talk about ignorance!!!. My heritage is American Indian and I am very proud of that fact but am not in the least embarrassed by having Indians as mascots and have never ever thought anything derogatory about this issue. Why don’t you spend your time with something better, there are certainly better ways to help the Indians than this. This will accomplish absolutely nothing except to make people hate you more because you are actually hurting the Indians.
The Indians have certainly been treated worse than having them as mascots, and I find that being a mascot is a compliment and an honor to the Indians and makes me proud to have that heritage.
My Indian family was on the Trail of Tears and that was a horrible time in history.
Carol Lanier
Atlanta Georgia


54 Comments:

Blogger David Mugmon said...

The mere existence of American Indians today is a testament to their strength, perseverance and pride. American Indians are a beautiful and noble people who deserve deep respect and admiration. They are a people who are alive and vibrant and not some wax figure or relic found in a museum. The massacre of American Indians is a shameful chapter in American history and white European Americans should be asking for forgiveness instead of denigrating these individuals and reducing them to a mascot.

I find irony in that the same people who want American Indians to 'lighten up' get 'up-tight' when asked about the name change of their favorite team. After all, it is only a sport meant for entertainment.

The American Indians are a people of great spirituality and culture. Their beliefs are in many ways far more enlightened than any found in Europe, and their art works are as beautiful and inspired as any found throughout the history of civilization. The fashion in which people often measure "superiority" today makes me sick and about the only thing I find more disturbing is the abject ignorance of some. (Hint: the people with no shame and more powerful weapons are not always superior.) I can't believe that a thinking reasonable person does not find using the stereotype of people as a mascot offensive. They must not see the group being stereotyped as people.

I became a fan of the Washington football team before I knew better but it doesn't matter what I think. If American Indians are offended by the name, then by all means change the name. It is a shame and a disgrace. Like me, the owner of the team is Jewish and should know better given how recent the systematic "rounding up" and slaughter of the Jewish people has been.

Lastly, the fact that American Indians suffer from societal ills (that are only a reflection of society at-large in this country) does not diminish their effort to try and stop the denigration of their culture. These two issues are only related in that the way American Indians have been portrayed by mainstream America has only exacerbated these problems. Although I'm sure they appreciate your concern over their societal problems, the efforts by AIM (and others) to stop the belittling of their deep rooted noble culture will not reduce the efforts to cure their other problems.

David Mugmon

8:38 PM  
Blogger Aimsteratlarge73 said...

Well it is good to see from the posts on this Blog that the average Amerikan (correctly spelled)would not recognize a human rights violation if it jumped up and bit their slaves in the ***!
A "REDSKIN" is a Human Scalp (Indian Scalp)and/or other body parts sold for profit at a trading post marked by an Indian Head Logo over the doorway. This is the true history of the origin of Indian Imagery in Amerika (correctly spelled once more)(History Department, Harvard University). Coupled with this other fact of History, 16.5 million American Indians were slaughtered by European Terrorist invading this land mass starting in 1492. Given the truth, how could any rational Human Being see this issue as anything but racism in it purist form? And to all of you fighting Illini fans, perhaps it is time to consider a couple of AA meetings!
Have a nice day!

11:20 AM  
Blogger Stars said...

I was shocked to read these responses; I guess I am naïve or too optimistic about the compassion of all people. I, personally, do not care one way or the other what the public uses for their sports namings and I am a member of one of the first nations. (But I do care about people and their feelings) After all, most people do not even know the origins or the true meanings of their own language; and there will always be some who only want to injure (it is a littleness in their spirit and they should be pitied. Why give them the power they do not have by being offended?) There are times to stand up and fight your battles, but I think we should choose our battles carefully.

But, I also believe:

Perhaps the request (sports team renamings) is over reaching; but this is not the true issue. A voice calling for respect is not a bad thing. We all need reminders that our language is the main method of communicating with each other. What messages do we want to convey to each other? We are all guilty of an occasional callousness and stiff resolve by being insensitive to our fellow human beings. What is more important to you, a word naming your teams or the feelings of your neighbor (regardless of intent)? But in reality there are many things in this world we must learn to live with or ignore – for there will never be a total meeting of the minds.

To esteem physical “might” as an overall of greatness is a great façade - People look to your history of civilizations. What conquerors do you see still standing? America is no longer the majority of white pioneer progeny, but a promulgation of people from around the world. The world is ever changing, as difficult a fact as this is for you to face or not. The true winner is the one left standing, and whites are now becoming a minority - be careful of the seeds you have sown.

To insult for merely a call of respect only strengthens their arguments from your own words. And if you are incapable of respect, we will have to teach each other how little your words mean and leave it at that. I do not think we can change strong feelings of hatred; perhaps this is yet another down fall of my own character. But at this point in life, I prefer not to waste precious energy focused on such negativity and to only look to the light.

People if you are offended by this change, ask yourself what is your personal injury? Maybe it is guilt wearing the garb of offense. Of course it is just a name; but consider what feelings this generates? Some of you have shown an ugliness that demeans your own argument, showing a truth in the offended’s concern. If you cannot see this, you are one of the people we will have to leave behind, unless you can find someone with more patience than I to guide you to a peace and harmony that I learn more and more each day. I pray because I have much yet to learn, maybe tomorrow I will want to help you or at least think kindly of you in spite of your poison.

Good life to all of you.

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8:17 PM  
Blogger Gato said...

David Mugmon, your my hero. After reading all of the other derogatory remarks, it's nice that someone knows what they are writing about.
Listen to your elders and learn...they know from wence they come.
Into the light.

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5:01 PM  
Blogger jake said...

the mascots and logos aren't destructive to indian culture at all. think about it: this is the today's way of preserving things from being forgotten. even if the signs are caricatural, how many of these you see everyday? how many grotesque pictures of uncle sam have you seen? does it seem racist? to me it only proves americans can laugh at themselves, which is a very valuable feature nowadays. nobody wants to offend you with those logos. it's not even for fun, as many of grotesque images with different cultures' religious symbols are.
have you seen kevin smith's movie where there's this "buddy christ" statue? i'm no christian, but i don't recall any christians raising fuss about that figure. kevin smith is christian himself.
things like that are absolutely normal and nobody regards them offensive.
it is for making people remember rather than anything else.

5:03 PM  
Blogger jake said...

additionaly, my hobby is training ninjutsu. it's a very old traditional martial art from japan, similar to jujitsu. i treat it very seriously, as some people treat their church they go to. it is a huge part of my belief system, no use writing more.

i don't feel offended by 'teenage mutant ninja turtles' cartoon, nor any other 'american ninja 3' film, even if the symbols i have much respect for are used in a brainless and useless way. it can make me angry in the same way as any other stupid cartoon, or a britney spears song does. but as long as there's no swastikas or other racist symbols around what's respected in the oldfashioned way, i'm not finding it offensive.

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Blogger meg said...

I admire what you are doing and do not think it is wrong of anybody in the native american culture to want to defend their identities. I beleive you have to start somewhere and it looks to me that the NCAA is in the right place. How is a cartoon like symbol, which is sterotyped in all it's entirty, going to make you proud of where you come from if it stands for everything you are against?

1:05 PM  
Blogger dogsoldier14 said...

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12:30 PM  
Blogger dogsoldier14 said...

I can see the issue in two lights 1. It seems to me that there are many other reasons for Natives to be upset, one being 500 hundred years of oppression, death and slavery, but wait before the those who believe (including those uncle tomahawk and apple indians) that we need to forget the past and move on, ask a rape victim to forget the rape they suffered or better yet tell the jews to forget the holocaust and move on, no more reperations from germany no more movies of jewish hardship. To be offended at a mascot makes no sense when there is Abramoff's in office (how many natives know what he did), still tainted soil on reservations in California. Just like i told my Muslim friend who was upset with the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed,"they are killing and oppressing your brothers and sisters throught the world and a cartoon gets u upset." makes no sense to me.
2.As a man of Honor and respect, as well as a human being, if someone told me that if something I did offended them I wouldnt rationalize what i am doing and tell them not to be offended I would stop (remember the do unto others thing?) . An offense is not how we precive it but how it is precived by those who are offended. I hope Greg R., Stacie N.,Tanya and don J., Chris S., and Morgan T. understand what was just said if not read number 2 again. Just like that uncle tomahawk gary gann who claims to be cherokee well brother i am full blood cherokee, I notice it is always the cherokees or those who claim that there great,great,grandmother
who was a cherokee princess
who take this stand. A Cherokee medicine man told me that to offened or hurt the feelings of others can can weaken medicine you are right mr. gann we were warriors but these offenses weaken the medicine of warriors, just to show you what kind of warriors Cherokees were kinda honorable to not want to offend or hurt the feelings of your enemy isnt it. You in turn do not speak for any natives i Know. Have you ever been with the women and children the old and sat and watch them hurt by these things that is who a "warrior" such as yourself should be protecting. I can remember as a child when kids would find out i was indian as my name is very Indian they would put there hands to there mouths and do whoops it would shame me, kids will bekids. I thought i was over that but a few days ago at little league baseball game a grow women was doing the same thing and I felt the same shame that i did as a child wonder if my kids did? And you Owen W. if you try to honor someone and they are inturn offended dont you think it may be a good practice to not do it, think about it now, if you did something to offened your wife, children, or boss would you continue? and say you are trying to honor them? thats not honor do you know what honor is? Is it that maybe people dont look at these natives,the young and the old the week and the strong as humans but as these mascots that humilliate the people they are supposed to honor

1:47 PM  
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11:36 AM  
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2:05 AM  
Blogger wonderswan said...

This issue is ridiculous, sure you may think, well how come we can use spartans, trojans, and greek gods as mascots? but really those cultures aren't around the mascot abuse enough to complain. Having a mascot is really a defining aspect of the institution, and it usually has a story with it, however considering the mass genocide and oppression facing the indigenous nations before European invasion, I doubt that any institution can claim to have much of a history with American Indians. The truth is that no matter how my ancestors (indigenous nations) are presented by an institution as it's mascot, there will always be a negative view, and if the institution goes down swinging the impact of it's image will be made a mockery of. It's not that there is no institution that can claim an American Indian mascot, it's just that the mascotis not a suitable position.
Besides how would you like it if a University called themselves the "whities" and had a fat, hairy, drunken, and Dionystic character associated with it. It would not last a day.

11:27 PM  
Blogger April said...

I am very disappointed with what lives in the east of our so-called "UNITED nation".
I am only half Native, I say Native becasue it wasn't called America before the Europeans started their killing rampage of Native tribes, I am very ashamed to be called an 'Indian' after a stupid Columbus.
As it may be this banning of sports logo, I am all for it, because mascots are usually animals and we are not animals. If mascots named after Natives goes on, the reservations should start colleges called the 'University of Navajoland Honkys' or Red-Necks or even the Hot-Headed Immigrants and take no pride at all.
There is people who say it should be an honor to be what-a"brave", well instead they should be called the Washington Wannabe Redskins. And not only is there braves but there is savages- is this what you call an honor?

For the longest time have people looked down upon Natives, because of their tax freedom, well I believe that if another country came over, killing all your family, burning all your crops, stealing all your land, then you'd expect something in return. And don't forget that it was the decision of your ascendents to make a "treaty".

All in all I hope those of you who rage against our "nonsense" shut up and reconsider you ground!

2:58 PM  
Blogger prezbucky said...

There is a simple way to settle this:

Poll every single native american (either en masse or by tribe or location) in the United States, as to whether they are offended by the use of native american mascots.

This could at least work with colleges.

On votes that end up with 50% +1 of the votes being "yes, the mascot is offensive", those mascots would be automatically banned... or at least continue under sanction by the NCAA (for instance, not being able to show their mascot at NCAA-sponsored events, not being able to host NCAA-sponsored events, etc.).

If, on the other hand, the native americans said that the mascot was not offensive, then the school would be allowed to keep it without sanction by the NCAA.

The NCAA is really being ridiculous here. This is an example of New Age Puritanism.

This is an issue for individual schools and native americans to decide... not PC-pushers wishing to enhance the pussification of America.

I'm waiting for all the greasy wheels to start bitching and moaning about the Fighting Irish, Cowboys, Packers, Patriots (etc.) and other potentially offensive (to someone out there, I guess... a really sensitive person) monikers.

Of course, nobody will ever complain about those mascots. Why?

That's another blog.

Meanwhile, the squeaky wheels continue to get the grease, and in this case the squeaky wheels are the PC-pushers with NO ACTUAL STAKE in this, who think that they can speak for native americans and other oppressed (either traditionally oppressed or currently oppressed, or both) groups.

It is my personal wish that we learn to treat each other as people -- not races, creeds, etc. We should judge each other based on merit.

3:24 PM  
Blogger soonerboy said...

first of all let me start by saying, i understand your cause, although there are some instances that have to be taken into consideration. the oklahoma sooner mascot was an american indian called lil red which he was called. oklahoma means home of the red man. our license plate reads native america, we are a proud state with many american indians...we want our msacot back its a part of us. a part of oklahoma history

9:53 PM  
Blogger Trudy Hale said...

I am a citizen of a California Federally Recognized Tribe. I do not have a problem with schools and teams using Indian names. I live in very populated Indian Country. Our high schools mascot is the Chieftians. My daughter goes to school there as did her parents,grandparents and greatgrandparents. It is family tradition, and we are proud of it. Most non-Indians that I know around here respect the Indians in our area, therefore are honored to have been a Chieftain!!

11:10 PM  
Blogger Stacy said...

I was actually looking for information for a paper on UND logo and got reading some of the blogs that have been posted and was amazed at some of the comments and had to leave a comment. I am part Commanche and I never got to grow up with my heritage, but Creator has blessed my life and put good people in it to share the knowledge I was unable to receive as a child. I support what AIM has been doing since the very beginning. I'm glad to know that people are starting to hear you and make changes so that Native Americans receive the respect they deserve as people. I originally had thought nothing of the logos till now. From what I have learned most people have know idea on how to show respect and honor to Native Americans or their culture. I wish you all well in your future endeavors.

Mitakuye Oyasin

8:03 PM  
Blogger chickasawdave said...

I can see where Native Indians are coming from being Chickasaw and Mohawk. My way of thinking is that the whites’ tried to kill us off and in many ways still are now, they want to use our names and culture to profit from. I say they should use their own logos and let us use ours. As for the ones that they already have it is not offensive to me but I can see where it might be to someone else. Where I live and work the whites are taking over the tribes and pushing the Indians out. The only jobs the Indians can get now are the ones that a white man doesn’t want. This is offensive to me and I think it is a more of a worthy cause than worrying about if some logo is offensive or not; not that it is not a worthy cause. We should be looking in to the fair treatment of the employees of the Native American Nations I’m sure it is not just the one I work for.
David L Chumpolie

12:36 PM  
Blogger KJ said...

I don't know..."Redskins" seems awfully offensive to me, and I'm not a Native American, just an Anglo who sympathises with my Indian brothers and sisters. I certainly understand how some of today's sports mascots are offensive to Native Americans. The way I see it, they've suffered way too much as it is over the years...do we have to continue to rub it in their faces? "Redskins"?...geez.

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Blogger David Anderson said...

I COMMEND YOU VERNON!!!

TO ALL YOU SUPPOSED NON RACIST AMERICANS REGARDLESS OF YOUR BACKGROUNDS. HERE IS MY RESPONSE TO YOU. HOW 'BOUT WE CHANGE THE NCAA AND PRO TEAMS TO NAMES LIKE THESE: THE HOLLYWOOD HOOKING HONKIES, OR THE CLEVELAND CRIMSON CRACKERS, OR THE DALLAS BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN BOYS, OR THE NEW ORLEANS N+++++S, OR THE SAN FRANCISCO F++++TS, OR THE WASHINGTON WOPS, OR THE ATLANTA SLAVEOWNERS, OR THE FIGHTING MICKS OF NOTRE DAME, OR FINALLY THE FLORIDA OLDFOLKS? NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW OFFENSIVE SOME OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN TEAMS NAMES ARE? KNOW YOUR HISTORY STUDY THE FACTS. JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HEAR ABOUT OPPRESSION OF NATIVE AMERICANS DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS ENDED. BUT WHAT DO YOU CARE, YOUR WORRIED ABOUT GAS PRICES FOR YOUR HUGE SUV, OR IF TIMMY MAKES IT TO SOCCER OK, YOU HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED AN ARMED FORCE KICKING IN YOUR DOOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, NO ONE FORCED YOU TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR HOUSE ON TO TMI (THREE MILE ISLAND), NO ONE PLACED A PRICE TAG ON YOUR HEAD, WELL AT LEAST NOT YET!!!!

9:00 PM  
Blogger justenman said...

staciforyou1982 needs to shut the fuck up you probably weigh 250 pounds and have nothing better to do so you leave racist comments and support capatalism. NO SIR YOU ARE A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT AND DONT DESERVE TO LIVE YOU FUCKSTAIN.

9:37 PM  
Blogger siouxperman said...

i dont think the "UND"logo is offencive but when you put a buffalo boning the fighting sioux then i think its going a little to far.what kind of indian does the tomahawk chop? the kind that has blond hair and blue eyes.this blog comes from a full blooded sioux native american

8:47 AM  
Blogger Angel said...

In a relationship, whenever an important decision has to be made both parties must agree. If one partner says "yes" and the other partner says "no" the final answer must always be no.

The very fact that Native Americans are actively protesting the exploitation of their culture's likeness should be enough to prohibit these athletic organizations from exploiting them.

I support the Native Americans fight to stop the cultural plagarism that spins their iconic heritage into a vague, shallow cartoon mascot.

5:00 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

I too am surprised by the hostile opposition of so many to this spotlight on racism in the public sector - especially by those who claim Indigenous heritage. It doesn't take much to imagine racial sensitivities if the mocassin was on other feet. "When will the Redskins play the Blackskins, or the Eskimoes kick off to the Palefaces?" I think it is the height of irony that the US capitol's football team has a "redskin" as its logo.

12:49 PM  
Blogger Saltfish said...

I'm amazed at some of the responses to this protest. People validating themselves as Indian or Irish or Polish- still separating ourselves into communities and using past or present injustices or turmoil to give credence to comments that in no way help find solutions to anything. I agree that perhaps banning mascots is a bit over the top. Perhaps more time could be spent deciding how to bring self respect to Indian peoples. The problems this community faces are far heavier than how a sports team should be named.

5:32 AM  
Blogger Lyn said...

A Seminole Native American woman told me the tribe approved the name and logo on the Florida State Seminoles team. Maybe the pro teams could do the same! An example would be The Atlanta Choctaw with a tribe approved logo or The Cleveland Cherokee with a tribe approved logo or the Cleveland Sioux with a tribe approved logo. It would be more respectful!

6:33 AM  
Blogger crunchy frybread said...

i'm a full blooded native american not the great great grandmother was a cherokee princess kind. I live in a large city, 3 million plus, and i still meet people everyday (educated people) that are ignorant to my culture. I'm constantly asked if i have lived in a teepee and if we smoked cannibis in our peace pipe. I even had a person tell me im taking american jobs by living here!? My parents were subject to racial slurs in the work place their entire careers. In fact i recently had an authority figure in the work place reprimanded for calling me the racial term "redskin", and yes i know the word's history. Its a racial slur period. I agree with aims movement in removing racial stereotypes in modern america, but the problem is larger than just mascots. Educating an individual is easy but educating the masses is where the problems lie. Please keep moving forward regardless of ignorant comments. I have hope for the next generation. We voted obama in. That is a step in the right direction.

6:54 PM  
Blogger crunchy frybread said...

"Redskin" is a racial slur. KNOW ITS HISTORY. I know because a 55 year old manager and a 20 year old company man decided to call me it everyday for a month. He is now fired and rightly so. I am deeply offended by this slur and other racial slurs. I am 100% native american. I am AMERICAN. An american protected by the same civil rights and liberties as YOU. Before writing ignorant comments to this try to imagine going to work everyday and being berated by an outdated injustice in our modern america. Congrats!! AIM keep up the great work. Educate the masses as Ghandi, Mendela, and Dr. King did before you.

7:06 PM  
Blogger my name is Sue said...

I come from Germany and I would like to put something right:
NCRSM does not look to cause problems. All the others that were mentioned who do not complain about their names being used as mascots are approved nations in the world. Indian Nations are not considered as "Nations" throughout the world. If they were, it would possibly not matter that much using their names as mascots. But as long as Indian history is treated like a fery tale and names of Indian Nations like animal races in America, I think it is important to show the world that it is not right to abuse Indian names like this. This has something to do whith spirituality - it might be too high for some people who write comments here.
What is the reason for alcoholism and things like that among the young Indians? It is exactly this: The treatment of everything that is sacred to them as if it were dirt! By fighting against this kind of abuse, NCRSM is fighting against the cause of all these problems instead of merely fighting the syntoms.

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5:38 PM  
Blogger weh-tu Honwe said...

wow.. can you feel the stirring of the colonists on here?? its so sad that even ones that are "NATIVE" are so blind to the WHOLE picture.. its not about a mascot, or a team, its about how americans view indigenous ppl. and YES. we want the disgusting ways of corrupt political colonist american thinking overturn and done away with because its been LONG enough that the truth has been covered about thanksgiving, the colonists, and how america came to be.. schools dont tell the truth why?? because it would contradict the whole patriotic american viewpoint that 98% of ppl have.. watch Unrepentant .. its mostly about Canada, but we can only imagine what happened in US res. schools etc.

i just laugh inside when i see political debates, and hear political blather.. how do ppl expect things to be good in this country founded on hate and genocide??? until the truth is heard, known and understood .. then only can things start to turn around and the people can TRY to heal..

i'm german almost fully, (my parents know theres some percent from my grandpa but dont know what and he's in FL) but i have a native heart. we CHOOSE who we are and what we fight and stand for. i dont support a war for oil thats killing WILLING (WILLING!!!) soldiers and all the innocents more importantly. and i dont support the brainwashing thats been going on for all these yrs..

hoping you all see the REAL light in front of you someday soon instead of the religious light blinding you.

http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/

6:00 PM  
Blogger weh-tu Honwe said...

wow.. can you feel the stirring of the colonists on here?? its so sad that even ones that are "NATIVE" are so blind to the WHOLE picture.. its not about a mascot, or a team, its about how americans view indigenous ppl. and YES. we want the disgusting ways of corrupt political colonist american thinking overturn and done away with because its been LONG enough that the truth has been covered about thanksgiving, the colonists, and how america came to be.. schools dont tell the truth why?? because it would contradict the whole patriotic american viewpoint that 98% of ppl have.. watch Unrepentant .. its mostly about Canada, but we can only imagine what happened in US res. schools etc.

i just laugh inside when i see political debates, and hear political blather.. how do ppl expect things to be good in this country founded on hate and genocide??? until the truth is heard, known and understood .. then only can things start to turn around and the people can TRY to heal..

i'm german almost fully, (my parents know theres some percent from my grandpa but dont know what and he's in FL) but i have a native heart. we CHOOSE who we are and what we fight and stand for. i dont support a war for oil thats killing WILLING (WILLING!!!) soldiers and all the innocents more importantly. and i dont support the brainwashing thats been going on for all these yrs..

hoping you all see the REAL light in front of you someday soon instead of the religious light blinding you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa5xwjE4T9k


http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/

6:11 PM  
Blogger Mental Vegetarian said...

WE need names such as: The Cleveland Crackers, Washington Red Necks, The St.Paul Pale Faces. I tire of white people consistently attempting to dictate to others about anything.

3:40 PM  
Blogger Mental Vegetarian said...

Uncle Sam picture was a depiction of a white chosen by a white man. The Inde had nothing to do with it.
Also, Washington Rednecks, St. Paul Pale Faces, Cleveland Crackers, New England Posse's, White people and their sickness called "Manifest Destiny Syndrome".

3:49 PM  
Blogger numbers=strength said...

I feel schools have no right what so ever to use the images of true Americans as a mascot. American Indians are the true Americans and not of imergent descent. I still get sick when i see the NFL Team washington red*kins still havent changed there name. The home of the president and house of bureaucrats,and they still embrace a team that mocks are true Americans. As if they havent caused enough pain and suffering, They must get some kind of joy by still allowing this symbol of hate to exist. Every one else who posted a comment in favor of the use in sports, should take a walk in the shoes of those massacred and you would be posting a much differnt comment.

9:05 PM  
Blogger numbers=strength said...

I feel schools have no right what so ever to use the images of true Americans as a mascot. American Indians are the true Americans and not of imergent descent. I still get sick when i see the NFL Team washington red*kins still havent changed there name. The home of the president and house of bureaucrats,and they still embrace a team that mocks are true Americans. As if they havent caused enough pain and suffering, They must get some kind of joy by still allowing this symbol of hate to exist. Every one else who posted a comment in favor of the use in sports, should take a walk in the shoes of those massacred and you would be posting a much differnt comment.

9:07 PM  
Blogger karen said...

I am an American of Irish decent. I have written a long letter to Pres. Obama, since this is an election of importance; and nothing said nor any visits to or for Native Americans; on my feelings about the treatment, neglect and discrimination of our Native American brothers and sisters and how they have been turned out as a culture and social structure. I am embarrassed, annoyed, and ashamed of our governments behavior and lack of compassion on Indian issues. I am saddened. I wanted to speak out about how I feel. RIP Russell Means, a true spirit and brother of us all. My visits to reservations to just be there, made me cry for days. Shame on the government.

3:34 PM  
Blogger karen said...

I have written a long letter to Pres. Obama on my feelings of the neglect, discrimination, ignorance, and shameful treatment of our Native American families and culture, and why not any attention to them or visitation during this election period? Shame on the gov't. There has been no mention of the Native Americans in this election, no visits, no acknowledgement, nothing. Voters are voters and citizens are all citizens. It seems that you are being pushed out to just disintegrate and go away. Out of sight, out of mind? That is how this gov't is treating Native American Indians. I am ashamed of this country's gov't and how they can be this coldhearted. What has been done is not enough. Casionos? May help some, but I think there should be NO taxes on revenue from them. The little that has been done is like a bandaid on a very big opened wound. They need their culture and spirituality and social structure to remain in tact. To go on. This country is made of so many different heritages, and yet, seems the treatment and availability is different. I have visited reservations, and came away saddened and cried for days. I am ashamed and do not know what to do. I said in my letter to Obama, that it would be great if there could be some acknowledgement or visitation to a reservation and see and listen. They are voters, too. It would be nice to have a president who was for ALL citizens of this country, all cultures of natives of this country. How wonderful to have a truly compassionate president. I admire American Indians strength, courage, pride, love of Earth, and spirituality. I have learned from them. I appreciate the resilience through so much persecution, and standing strong as an Indian Nation. I am looking into doing more. I am not rich, but I have a voice and a strong one. I read and read your history. I listen and speak out. But want to do more. I am sorry for all of your sorrow. For this, I am not proud to be a white woman. But, you are my brothers and sisters. I truly believe that Indian ways will be the only way to survive and live when all falls apart in this economy. I have learned how to live off the land and all I can say is keep teaching this to your children. It is the way.

3:52 PM  
Blogger I am not a Cherokee said...

I live in the Midwest and find it hilarious how many "Cherokee" decendants we have around here. 90% of the time it is a grandmother. 99% of you are full of it. You may not know it, but you are. It's very fashionable to be "Indian". so you can lay claim to the land without feeling guilty. You lay claim to martyrdom and the right to speak up on Indian matters. After all, your Great-Great-Great-Grandma was an Indian! Your family was OPPRESSED, Brother! And, look at you! Somehow you made it off the reservation and into a nice, white, middle-class life! A REAL AMERICAN success story. It's laughable. For the small percent of people claiming Native heritage who may actually have some, how many have actually faced any kind of real oppression? So, state your opinions, but please lay off the lame claims of your fake heritage, or provide some sort of bona-fide proof to the moderators. And, for the people saying, "aren't there more important things?" It is possible to attack more than one issue at the same time. It is called a "Platform" and is used regularly by political organizations.

2:30 PM  
Blogger SherryAnn Temple said...

What I find interesting as well as comical are those who say, "I am told my great great grandmother was a Cherokee" or "I am half Native American" or "I am part Indian." Bull crap. First, every other white person claims to be Cherokee. You would think the Cherokee nation would be larger than the Dine (Navajo) with all that talk. Second, those who say they are "half" or "part" Native American - you would know your nation and say you are Lakota or Cree or Seminole, not half blah blah blah. That is were the terms "wannabe" and "outtaluck" come from. Third, Redskin is not some innocuous term like calling someone a "Viking" or a "Fighting Irish" (both terms, I am sure are prideful). Redskin is a term that signifies murder at the least and genocide at best. The majority of the ignorant posters here would be hard-pressed to be able to discuss American history without googling the topic.

6:59 PM  
Blogger Son of the earth said...

Too diminish a peoples pain is to outright dismiss their humanity. The long history of attempted white wash of native peoples is undeniable. Yet, you see nothing but lack of respect and ignorance from those that these issues have not affected personally. To walk is to know. Keep up the fight. Insist on your humanity. Signed, Your Brother.

4:26 PM  
Blogger Son of the earth said...

Too diminish a peoples pain is to outright dismiss their humanity. The long history of attempted white wash of native peoples is undeniable. Yet, you see nothing but lack of respect and ignorance from those that these issues have not affected personally. To walk is to know. Keep up the fight. Insist on your humanity. Signed, Your Brother.

4:28 PM  
Blogger Wiindigokan said...

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4:28 AM  
Blogger Wiindigokan said...

Chi Miigwech for all you did Brother.
We will carry on the torch of Indigenous activism and decolonizing minds.
You are missed Vern Bellecourt and you are not forgotten.

4:37 AM  
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